Guess what? I just found out my first film, Johnny Suede, has been released on DVD by Anchor Bay. The reason I just found out about it now could be a very lengthy post that maybe I'll undertake one morning after dropping acid and snorting a quart of scotch.
The DVD includes my commentary. It could have included a lot more but...see the paragraph above. The film stars Brad Pitt, Catherine Keener, Nick Cave and Samuel L. Jackson in a small part. This is not a plug for the dvd. If you're interested fine. If not, don't worry about it.
I just remembered that Sam Jackson came in and auditioned for me.
Other memories are sneaking up now, like hungry zombies outside the Kwikee Mart. I spent months trying to find the right actor to play Johnny. I must have auditioned at least 300 guys. Most came in thinking the part was some moronic version of The Fonz from "Happy Days." In August of 1989, after exhausting all the possibilities in NYC the casting director, Marcia Shulman and I went out to LA to sift through the talent pickings there.
The production at that point had no money. The producers arranged for Marcia and me to stay at the Highland Gardens motel famed mainly for the fact that Janis Joplin had died there. There was a swimming pool. No one swam in it. It was filled with greenish-black sludge.
The motel let us use a "suite" to cast in. The auditions were held in the kitchenette with Marcia and I sitting a foot away in the dining nook. One afternoon I looked out the window and saw a tall woman dressed in a short, black skirt, black nylons and leopard-skin ankle boots. As she paced by the contaminated pool she carefully wielded a matching leopard-skin umbrella to keep the sun off of her. It took me a moment to recognize Tina Louise who'd played Ginger on "Gilligan's Island." She came up and I cast her as Johnny's girlfriend's mother the moment she finished reading.
Later that day Marcia flipped me a head-shot and informed me the next actor didn't have much on his resume. In fact he only had two things; he'd done a small Canadian TV series and he'd just finished shooting what he'd listed as his only real film credit---something called Thelma and Louise that no one had heard about because it hadn't even been edited yet.
The day before, Marcia and I had been eating lunch in a hamburger joint on La Cienaga. We saw some kid a few booths away. He looked interesting. We brought him in for a reading, thinking, "Hey, maybe this is one of those stars-discovered-in-a-greasy-hamburger-joint kind of stories. He was awful. Still, he was very depressed when we didn't cast him.
I took another look at the photo Marcia had handed me and said, "What the fuck, bring him in." The actor's name was Brad Pitt. Call me an idiot if you want but I was certain of 2 things the moment he walked in: 1. He was Johnny. 2. He was going to be a star.
He did his audition without me saying a word to him. And without me saying a word to him he understood that beneath his posturing exterior Johnny was really a lost soul--someone who literally had no idea who he was. This lead Brad to a brave acting choice; to bring a hesitant vulnerability to the character--something no one else had been able to do; even with my prompting.
When he walked out I knew I had my lead. However the producers were not so convinced. They said, "This kid's a nobody. We're not letting you cast him." The absurdity of this comment might be better understood if you keep in mind the entire budget of the film was under $500,000.
The producers made me meet another actor; a real "star." The Star would not come in to audition. He did however agree to "meet me in character." Seconds after that meeting began I got the very clear sense that the character who met me was one I was never, ever going to cast.
The producers were not happy with my position. So, on Friday, we parted company. On Monday I had a new deal with a Swiss producer, Ruth Waldburger who looked at Brad's audition tape and agreed with my assessment of his potential. Ruth also agreed to handle the lawsuit so instantly and generously provided to us by the Friday producers.
While at the Highland Gardens I encountered another actor who made an impression on me. Catherine Keener came in to audition for the part of Yvonne, Johnny's girlfriend. I have sometimes compared her audition to someone driving a golfball into a very small cinderblock room. The ensuing ricochets unnerved me so much I didn't realize this barely controlled chaos was exactly what the part needed. In the middle of the night I got out of bed, knocked on the wall and yelled quietly to Marcia, "We're casting Catherine Keener as Yvonne!"
We shot the film in 30 days in NYC in November and December of 1990. I remember this because at one point I looked up and Brad and Catherine were in my apartment eating Thanksgiving dinner. The shoot was for the most part a nightmare. Some great things happened of course. But for my first film it seemed the avalanche of disasters was just a little too relentless to be completely enjoyable.
In the 2nd week of filming the fire department wouldn't let us back into the building we'd meticulously painted and propped for Johnny's apartment. Over the weekend the entire building (already on the verge of demolition) had settled 5 feet to the left and it was now deemed unsafe for occupancy let alone something as idiotic as filmmaking. We had to finish shooting in another apartment and to this day I'm amazed no one has ever remarked upon the obvious and strangely changing layout as the film progresses.
Before shooting we had some difficulty in specifying Johnny's wardrobe with the costume designer. The character was fixated on the late '50's. I wanted clothing that came from that era but didn't want stuff that was strictly nostalgic. I wanted costumes that made the character visually different and unique but with an understated elegance.
Nothing worked. So, the day before shooting Brad and I went through my closet and pulled out every piece of Thrift Store gold I'd accumulated over the past 10 years. Luckily, everything fit him. All my favorite, one-of-a-kind, deeply personal, irreplaceable stuff.
We shot the film in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, which back in 1990 really was not a place anyone was too eager to build a Starbucks in. Two weeks into shooting the assistant director came running up and cried, "Some left the wardrobe van unattended and all the costumes have been stolen!"
A day later they found the guys who'd stolen them. My relief was short-lived; about 30 seconds actually. The police informed us that the thieves had apparently liked Johnny's clothes so much they were not returning them. The cops advised us if we wanted to continue shooting in Williamsburg we should accept these "terms."
So, all Johnny's wardrobe had to be faked. Copies of everything we'd already shot Brad in were quickly made. Although we couldn't afford the original materials, on film the pants, shirtjacs and sharkskin suits all looked perfectly fine. At the end of the shoot the costume department gave me the copies as a gift. I took them home and hung them in my closet. One day I actually tried to wear one of the shirts. A week later I threw everything away.
The film was accepted into the Locarno International Film Festival in Switzerland. It was the first film festival I'd ever been to. A buyer from Miramax saw the film and urged Harvey Weinstein to do something he'd never done; buy a film without seeing it. The buyer convinced him that Brad was going to be a star. The deal was clinched when the film won Best Picture.
A month later when Harvey was sitting in front of me at the Toronto film festival I saw another distributor lean forward and chuckle into Harvey's ear, "Well, I hope you like it."
I think Harvey really did like it. We had a test screening in New York City a few weeks later. He sat beside me , turning and grinning when the audience broke into laughter and applause. At the end he gave me an emphatic thumbs up.
Then the cards came in. The results were not to his liking. Harvey then endeavored to fix the problem. His plan was to cut 15 minutes out of the film and put a voice-over on. I told him that if he showed me where the 15 minutes could be cut while maintaining the film's narrative logic then I would consider it.
This idea was soon jettisoned in favor of the voice-over. I wasn't happy about either idea. The film had just won top honors at a major European festival. I didn't see any reason why this version (my original Director's cut) could not be presented to American audiences.
But this was my first film. And it was my first lesson in how murky the waters of "negotiation" can be. A voice-over was added to the film. I cringe every time I think of it, especially knowing that after all that, it had absolutely no effect on the film's performance.
Some people saw the film. Some people even liked it. Someone liked the name so much they started a clothing line without even offering me 10%. I'm the first one to admit the film has many of the inconsistencies of a First film. But it is my first child and I will always cherish it. I still think Brad's performance is startlingly brave and astute. I still think Catherine Keener is as magical in the film as anything else she's gone on to do. If you rent it check out the scene where Yvonne teaches Johnny about the "watermelon seed".
I think the story, that of a young man's gradual realization that he has no idea who he is, is still valid and engaging. Which is why I'm so thrilled that this version being released on DVD by Anchor Bay is the original Director's Cut, heretofore never seen in this country.
Minus the fucking voice-over.
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Thanks for the tip. Let people know. I’m going to.
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Tom
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Again, my sincere thanks.
T
I’ve not seen the film (will have to rectify that!) but had heard of it and remembered the picture of Brad with his “do” – I’m doing some random movie poster parody designs and was searching for a photo of Brad in that role to do a parody of the “Nebraska” movie poster with the hair 🙂 and just stumbled upon this blog and this story about your experiences with making “Johnny Suede”.
Just dropping you a line to say it’s great to find out about that kind of behind the scene casting and production etc info tha we never normally hear about – especially, as you say, when it involves hither-to unknown stars while they’re still ‘making it’
Nice lunch break for me 🙂
Mark
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Glad you stopped by on your lunch break. Some more info for you: Johnny’s hairstyle was based on the gangs of Japanese kids I’d seen in Yoyogi Park in Tokyo. They all were dressed in black leather, pointy shoes and all the guys had the most towering pompadours I’d ever seen. I felt Johnny’s should be at least as high.
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Thanks for writing. Now get to work on those 4 1/2 readers!
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Tom
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I wrote all the lyrics and the basic chord progressions for all the songs. My friend, Stevie Flynn, is an amazing musician and musicologist who lives in Bennington, Vermont. You can check him out on Facebook.He was the one who originally turned me on to some of the instrumental music by Link Wray which blew my mind and ended up in Johnny Suede.
Well, Stevie took a couple of the songs, Mid-Town in particular, and arranged them for musicians. He brought in some friends of his; a keyboard player and a classical/jazz bassist and we recorded the backing instrumentals in a little studio in Vermont. Then, in the week before we started shooting Brad came into a NY studio and laid down the vocals. He then lip-synced them during the shoot. I honestly can’t remember what we did with Conan the Accordianist. I think I might have poked something out on a little Casio I had.
The half-in-two line was in the script. Sam made up the other stuff about his girlfriend.
I still have Johnny’s guitar, his shoes and one of his shirts–the red one with the shoes embroidered on it.
And, you’re not geeking. You’re actually giving me confidence that the characters I wrote and who ended up on film came to life for you.
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Well, first let me just say your comment really made my day–hell, maybe even week; perhaps month. Your description of how you and your friends responded to Johnny Suede was as enjoyable to me as making the film itself. I am vastly impressed (and just plain flattered) at how detailed your knowledge of the film is. You really got it.
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Tom
What a great Christmas present! I am so very gratefull and really choked up for your lovely, well considered and (wow!) speedy reply. I’m now trawling the internet for the Juke Joints book. I will dig out my actual dissertation (ha!) and post a link to it for you in the near future.
Thanks so much again,
Tim
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What a great pleasure to get your dissertation–er comment. Joke, my friend. Honestly, I am still amazed when anyone sees any of my films. For you to have put together these well-thought-out words about the film is more than astonishing.
Tom
My girlfriend found your blog and told me about it ages ago. I’ve been putting off writing a post. I always procrastinate about these small things that are actually really important to me and sometimes I should just get on and do them . It’s probably also because I don’t want to sound corny and sycophantic and I don’t want my passion for Johnny Suede to be diminished by inarticulate words… But simply Johnny suede is my favourite film. It has probably influenced far to much of my life (not a good thing!).But with 2008 nearly over and the film always in my mind at this time of year (I first watched it late at night on TV here in the UK, round about Christmas 2001) I thought it’s time to write. Like I say, I’ve always felt that writing about and critiquing the things you really love somehow lessens them. It should be enough sometimes to say that something is just damn cool . Still, this ethos didn’t stop me from writing my dissertation on Johnny Suede (actually I wasn’t allowed to write it completely on the film!) and it would be a great honour for you to read it someday.
The 80s/90s rockabilly scene I was too young for is my fascination, my favourite films the ones that have the shadow of the 1950s cast over them but are fiercely contemporary to when they were made. I’ve only ever considered myself on the periphery of today’s rockabilly scene which I feel in it’s present incarnation is bland and contrived. Johnny is this brilliantly singular character and in his world it is actually impossible to imagine that there is a scene Johnny could be part of. Even Freak Storm, who is similarly dressed represents the present in the film while Johnny ‘has his head in the clouds and his feet in the past’. I think perhaps what I’m trying to say is that it’s interesting how Johnny Suede has a fan base still within today’s rockabilly community when I don’t think his character represents it at all now.
As for the set design if I ever own my own place I will trash it to look like Johnny’s room. My crummy little band cover “Never Girl” at our gigs but what really gets me are the incredible details in the flick. The Lady Love heart and dagger drawn on the wall at the start of the film is the most perfectly beautiful little drawing I’ve seen and I’m partly ashamed to admit to you that I have it tattooed on my left arm. One carefully placed tattoo, that’s it. But I really want to know more about these stylistics and what inspired them, the naively drawn girl in leopard print we see on a card in the phone box and the ‘blue boy’ graffiti in the bathroom looking as though Jean Cocteau had drawn Popeye (I’m an illustrator by profession which is why I find this so interesting).
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Tim Daddio
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Well, this is one of the most interesting responses I’ve had to Johnny Suede. I never meant it as a wake up call but it did coincide with some moments in my own life where I realized a few things needed some re-consideration.
Your account of the psychobilly scene in Melbourne is fascinating. I was going to film school in NYC at the time I conceived the main visual themes for the film. The east village was just beginning to happen. Every morning I walked to school I would pass guys in the neo-punk, psycho-suede period stumbling home from being up all night. One guy with a 2-foot pompadour was trying to step onto the sidewalk. He was so blitzed on smack it took him 20 minutes just to get his pointed ankleboot off the pavement. When he finally did he promptly fell over and collapsed into a mound of garbage. He was still there when I walked out to get lunch. He became the inspiration for Freak Storm.
I actually loved that period in NY. It was a cool time. I loved the freedom it gave both guys and girls to dress in extremes. At least it was about something. The blandness of today is majorly depressing.
Ultimately though, no matter what you look like it is what you’ve got going on inside that has value. If that thing inside is not real, well first of all you know it, and 2nd of all very soon the world knows it too. It takes a fuck of a lot of courage to look at that.
I wish you the best, Scott. I really appreciate your taking the time to write.
Tom
I was 20 at he time and had completely imersed myself in to the Rock-a-billy/Pychobilly scene in Melbourne, Australia. I was obsessed with my hair style, living for a week at a time without washing it because I’d got it just right (3 hrs of work) and I wanted it to last. My clothes were all one-of’s from second-hand shops, (no-one else wanted that stuff then), I had no money, and was trying to start a band, I been into this stuff for 7 years or so and had lots of stupid girl friends, was drunk a lot of the time etc, on a downward spiral, then when I saw this film, I was shocked into making some big changes in my life, (for the better) and ultimately I found and met my current partner of 15 years a women much wiser than I.
I had always wanted to write to Tom to say thanks so very much for making this film which spoke so clearly to me, and moved me to make changes for the better in my life. So as I eagerly await the arrival of my copy of “Johnny Suede” I thought it was about time to say it.
So, to Tom DiCillo,I extend a very warm, if belated, thank you for Johnny Suede.
Yours sincerly
Scott
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yep, I’m going up to Portland on Thursday to yak a bit about Delirious and Living In Oblivion. I’m looking forward to it.
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Tom
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What a sweet note to get. I don’t mean that in any sticky or sugary way. I mean that you actually moved me.
Tom
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Thanks for your comment. I’m glad you liked Johnny Suede. It was my first feature. So much went into it. Looking back of course I see things I wonder why the hell did I do that. But I also see things that I wonder, where the hell did that come from and why aren’t you doing more of it?
It is clearly a first feature. But I’m proud of every frame. You should check out Living In Oblivion and Delirious for a different sense of my sensibility.
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Yes, the rough cut was quite a bit longer. All of the rough cuts usually are. You take everything you shot, cut it in and see what works. That’s why time is so important in the editing process. You need to be able to look at everything over and over and determine what serves the film and what does not.
As far as Ms Louise her part was always as long as it is in the final cut. She played Darlette’s mother. When Darlette’s story ends so does her mother’s.
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Am very impressed (and astonished) with brevity of your query. Also with its content.
To which someone who sounded like me replied. “Thank you, I see now that your moon is in Uranus.”
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Tom
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Good to hear from you again. That’s actually a good question about the motels.
There is a film there somewhere–five people jammed into a car for a week.
Tom
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Tina Louise was great to work with. She had certain ideas she felt strongly about but they were all well-connected to the film and her character.
Listen, women have it tough in this business. You turn 17 and suddenly you’re playing all the grandmother roles. Tina had a very intense childhood and upbringing and had to fight hard to make headway in the business.
I love her combination of goofy humor and sulky sexiness.
At one point before filming I ended up in her apartment in Manhattan, discussing the role with her. The only place to sit was on her bed. With her. I was not yet jaded enough to let that moment pass unremarked by my brain; here I was reclining alone on a bed with Tina Louise, a woman whom I’d last seen blowing softly into The Professor’s ear making his bowtie begin spinning madly at his throat.
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Tom
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Always a pleasure.
So, yer a Leary fan, are ya?
Thanks for renting Double Whammy. I still feel that film has some great stuff in it and should have had a theatrical release. Legally it was supposed to. LionsGate picked it up in Sundance for a Sept. 2001 theatrical release and then simply shelved it. I have their announcement in Variety to prove it.
I tried everything to change their minds. No worky.
They were so great to work with. They gave their all.
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Tom
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Thanks for writing. Your English is not bad at all. You wrote a very interesting comment and I thank you for sharing such personal thoughts.
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Tom
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Glad to hear you are still alive and have not over-dosed from all the drugs in your friend’s father’s medicine cabinet. Your English is not repulsive. Bush and company are repulsive.
Tom
Anyway, enough with my internet clutter.
Talk to you later,
Damien
Johnny Suede is the first movie I saw of yours; it was luck: Walking in a store I saw–almost fucking passing out–that my two favourite artists at the time, Nick Cave and Brad Pitt, were in the same movie. I bought it, watched it, and it was Tom Dicillo all the way. Take too long to explain the wonders I’ve found in all your films, like Johnny fucking up his relationship at the end, that bit of violence, or the cheating in Box of Moonlight, actually being benificial to the relationship, etcetera, etcetera. Too bad about all the bullshit slowing your film producution.
By the way, how did you get mixed up with Nick Cave?
Later,
Damien
Second try to write you something.This was very interesting story about making Johnny Suede, but unfortunatelly I haven`t seen movie yet.A few years ago I have seen two movies.Both were good,both I was impressed and both have something in common.I am not some movie critic or movie maniac and I usually forget names of director,actors and I like to see good movie as I like to read good book or see nice picture.When I realized that both movies were made by one man, I understood why I thought that must be some connection between these movies.What was so much in common?It was something essentially human in treating characters,despite their weakness and naivety,something that make them very close to every of us.As a Christian I could say that there were Christian movies without mentioning a Christ.The movies were: Living in Oblivion and The Box of Moonlight.I was very happy when I saw this blog and I am very happy to have a chance to write you. Sorry for bad English and wish you all the best.
Amazing post and amazing story, dude, I liked a lot. I saw “Johnny Suede” long time ago and I think that now is the perfect time to see it again.
I love Catherine Keener (an authentic muse), she transmits a lot of things with her penetrating look and I hope she come back to film a movie with you.
About Brad Pitt (great actor and incredible performance in that movie), I read an interview where you said in respond to a question about Brad and Johnny Suede:
“The last day of shooting I approached Brad Pitt and gave him a hug. In a second I felt rejected, and at that time I had the feeling that never would see him again.”
Interesting moment, I think.
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Good to hear from you again. Yes, that story is true. I still quake in fear in memory of it. On top of stolen wardrobe and collapsing buildings I was dealing with a very talented Director of Photography who later confided to me he was so jealous I was directing my first feature he couldn’t stop himself from intentionally sabotaging the shoot.
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Tom
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Thanks for buying the Johnny Suede dvd. I came over to Spain to press for the original Spanish release in 1995. I don’t eat a lot of fish or bifstek so everytime we went to eat I asked for chicken. The Spanish distributor started calling me Johnny Chicken.
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Thanks for writing. So, you noticed the hair, did you?
It’s funny, some (artsy) critics reacted against the movie, saying it was just trying to be cool. Which just goes to show you that just because someone can type doesn’t mean they’re not fucking boneheads.
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Tom
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Thank you so much for being the first to ask my favorite question. Here are the facts:
Brad was great to work with on Johnny Suede. He was very intelligent and he cared very much about adding as much dimension as he could to his performance.
Tom
Sorry, just kidding. I “KNOW” how much you love answering that same f’n question.
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