Howdy lensbusters. Just a quick note to let you know I'm still alive and kicking--punching a little bit too. I've got two scripts in development and am working hard to get them into production. The DVD release of Delirious is slated for a mid-March and I am in the process of putting the extras package together. Looks like some nice bonuses will end up on the disk though oddly the Director's Commentary seems unlikely. The DVD company sees "no value in it." I've done one for every one of my films and have heard from many people saying how informative and entertaining they are. But really, why would you want something like that on a DVD?
A few months ago I was still staggering around reeling from the "theatrical release" of Delirious and I realized I was getting no answers to any of my questions from no one--not even Dr. Owen. More as an attempt to simply get the questions out of my own brain I sent an email to Roger Ebert with the questions attached. I sent the email blind. I have never met Mr. Ebert. I did appreciate his take on Delirious in his review of the film though and told him if he answered the questions perhaps I'd post them here.
To my amazement Ebert not only answered the questions, he wrote another article on Delirious. I've posted the entire article below because I found the answers clear, eloquent and extremely helpful. You should vist Ebert's site directly here. I'm feeling the urge to blawg again. Lemme know what you think of this.
An indie director asks: Is the whole thing a Kafkaesque nightmare?
Nov 29, 2007
By Roger Ebert
On Aug. 31 I published a review of a movie titled "Delirious." I gave it 3½ stars. I liked it a lot. Maybe you remember that it starred Steve Buscemi as Les, a mad-dog paparazzo, scorned by the world. He becomes the hero of a clueless street kid named Toby (Michael Pitt) who begs to hang around with him and learn the ropes. So Les moves Toby into a cupboard of his fleabag apartment and pontificates on the art of catching celebrities off-guard. Alison Lohman plays a Paris Hilton-type starlet who is their quarry. Also in the cast: Gina Gershon, Elvis Costello.
You have not seen this movie. You couldn't have, unless you were one of the few customers who contributed to its depressing $200,000 total national gross. It got enthusiastic reviews from both trade papers, the New York Times, Salon, the New Yorker and so on, but then it disappeared.
It was written and directed by a legend in the indie film world, Tom DiCillo, who has made other movies I've liked ("Living in Oblivion," "Box of Moonlight," "The Real Blonde"). Yet it opened in two theaters in New York and Los Angeles, was supported by pitiful near-zero advertising, went to one theater in each city after a week, had brief one-theater runs here and there (in Chicago, at the Music Box), and disappeared. It did have the distinction of inspiring a review by Ray Pride of New City Chicago that reads like ol' Ray overdosed on Mean Pills. To criticize the great Buscemi for having skinny legs that look bad in black socks is over-reaching, I would say.
I've never met DiCillo, but after the disappointing release of his movie I got an e-mail from him.
"To give you some indication of how disoriented I feel at the moment," he wrote, "I am getting no real, tangible feedback from anyone. And so I'm kind of struggling on my own to make sense of how a film I put my soul into, that Buscemi put his soul into, a film that generated such strong, positive reviews, had no life in the market.
"I'm not talking about gigantic box office success. I'm simply speaking of a modestly successful run that earned people their money back and, more productively, helped encourage other financiers and studios to invest in another one of my films. Of course I'm extremely proud of the film. Of course I feel a sense of victory in just getting it made. But for a filmmaker to survive there has to be some form of return.
"This is not intended to be a complaint or Whine Fest. I know this is a brutal business and I'm not asking for, nor expecting, special treatment, babying or sympathy from anyone. I'm just looking for some answers."
In his blog (tomdicillo.com), DiCillo pulls no punches in describing the way his film was mistreated and manhandled. I think he may have a book in there somewhere. But my concern is that an entertaining film with a superb Buscemi performance has disappeared, and that it never had a chance. In his message DiCillo went on to employ colorful language about his nightmare, and then he presented me with a list of questions. I don't have the answers, because there probably aren't any, but, because they address a crisis in the indie film world, here are DiCillo's questions and my attempts to answer them:
1. The film got unusually strong reviews. Why did it not find an audience theatrically?
Reviews work best in connection with a visible opening. When moviegoers have never seen an ad for a movie and it isn't playing in their city, state or region of the nation, what difference do reviews make?
Apart from that, here's a funny thing: Lots of moviegoers trust a critic less than a brainless ad promising them the sun, the moon and the stars. They have a certain reluctance to see a movie that might be good. Millions of teenage boys, in particular, flock to the stupid and the brutal, and have no interest in any film that involves words like "paparazzi." (Millions of others are our hope for the future, of course, but opening weekends are driven by horror, superheroes and comic book and game adaptations, and depend on the fanboys.)
2. Were the U.S. distributors right in passing on it? In other words, is "Delirious" unmarketable?
Because I enjoyed it from beginning to end, I wouldn't call it unmarketable, but it isn't a high-concept (i.e., low-concept) film, and it needs a chance to be discovered.
Let me give you an example. The second funniest film I've seen in the last 10 years is "The Castle" (1997), from Australia. When I showed it at my Overlooked Film Festival, the 1,600 people in the audience almost lost their lunch, they were laughing so hard. It grossed less than a million in North America. It didn't have stars, it wasn't about castles, and hardly anybody went. So it wasn't "marketable." Because I Iove movies, it cheers me up when people have a good time at one. This one was released by the old Miramax. "The test audience didn't like it," Harvey Weinstein told me, after he yanked it. OK, either (a) the test audience was wrong, or (b) it was the wrong test audience.
3. If a small film like "Delirious" is judged by its opening weekend gross for survival, what does that say about the state of U.S. independent film? In other words, if an independent film needs a big opening weekend to succeed, how does this make it different from a Hollywood film?
It says indies are being forced out by the Opening Weekend Syndrome. Indie films will rarely have big opening weekends because they don't have the publicity machines to grind out press junkets, talk-show guest shots, celeb magazine profiles, big ad campaigns, and fast-food tie-ins. They need a chance to find an audience. "Chariots of Fire" (1981) opened in one theater, crept into two or three, tip-toed across the country, had great word of mouth, played for months, and won the Oscar. Today, it would have closed after that first theater. Here's a hypothesis: Anyone reading this article is likely to enjoy a movie more if it doesn't have free collectibles at McDonald's.
4. If a big opening weekend is the only guarantee of life for an independent film, does this affect the kinds of independent films being made?
Hard to say, because so many indie films are labors of love that their makers had to make. Consider Miranda July's "Me and You and Everyone We Know" (2005), which had a $2 million budget and grossed less than $4 million. Not so great. When the lights went up at Sundance, Lisa Schwarzbaum of Entertainment Weekly was across the aisle from me. "Whatd'ya think?" she asked me or I asked her, I can't remember which. I remember the reply: "I think it's the best film in the festival." Other person: "Me, too." How in the hell can a movie that delicate and magical not find a big audience when I know there are people starving for films like that?
5. Does independent film exist anymore?
Yes, barely. The irony is that indies are embraced at film festivals, which have almost become an alternative distribution channel. "Delirious," for example, was invited by San Sebastian, Sundance, San Francisco, Seattle, Avignon, Munich and Karlovy Vary. All major festivals. But you didn't make "Delirious" to sell tickets for festivals. I frankly think it's time for festivals to give their entries a cut of the box office.
If there is room for hope, it's that good actors are happy to appear in them because the indies are a repository of great roles. Halle Berry has starred in movies budgeted at millions, but won the Oscar for "Monster's Ball." Robert De Niro top-lined millions of bucks, but won the Oscar for the low-budget "Raging Bull." Charlize Theron could pull down $1 million-$2 million a picture or more, but won the Oscar for "Monster," which cost lots less than a million. Actors know that beyond a certain budget level, mega-productions are less likely to contain great acting opportunities. What's being marketed is the spectacle, not the performances.
6. Can any of these questions even be answered? Should I even bother with trying to find the answers? Is the whole thing a Kafkaesque nightmare or can it all be shrugged off simply by saying, "You win some, you lose some."
I don't know. Maybe DVDs and Netflix and Blockbuster on Demand and cable TV and pay-per-view and especially high-quality streaming on the Internet will rescue you and your fellow independents. I come from an innocent and hopeful time when we went to the Art Theater in Champaign-Urbana to see anything they were showing, because we knew it wouldn't have Frankie Avalon in it, and they gave you a free cup of coffee, and we thought that was way cool. It was a movie by Cassavetes or Shirley Clarke? Or DiCillo or Sayles or Jarmusch? How did we get so lucky?
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Listen, my friend, you should write a book. I am serious. You have a great sense of what no/lo budget filmmaking can aspire to. I will heed your advice.
I’ve seen that work too. It is pretty amazing.
Tom
btw – how did you like seeing Katherine Keener in The 40 Year Old Virgin? it must have been fun for you to see an actress that you worked w/ so many years ago in a mega-super-hyper promoted & distributed Hollywood movie. i thought she did a great job in Oblivion.
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Your comment too was very inspiring. It has finally, finally opened my eyes to the reality that people like you, Eric Wilkinson and others have been suggesting to me for months.
best,
Tom
on the low budget digital features you should retain ownership of the films like Jarmusch does & work with various distributors (or have them work for you) on getting it out to different markets.
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Thanks so much for your note, my friend. It really meant a lot to me. It is not because of what you said about me or my films.
Tom
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Great to hear from you again. Yes, I’m still here plugging along. This writer’s strike is tough. I won’t be going to Sundance this year. How about you?
It seems there is some progress on the Delirious DVD extras. The first release in March will be only the film, strictly a Blockbuster release. Then the main release will come a month later with what looks like a commentary, a behind the scenes, the recut music video and my complete medical history from Dr. Owen.
I’ll keep you posted.
best,
Tom
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Well, I checked out the comment you sent to rslog.net. Pretty intense. I’m glad it worked out for you but I have to say I’m a little conflicted about the whole piracy issue. I think it is really a complex issue. As the maker of something, something that involves years of work, expense and exhausting labor, it doesn’t feel quite right to let someone just take it.
In your case though the medium really helped you. I think it was very smart the way you played it.
The comments and responsed you got reminded me of my experiences with the paparazzi I interviewed preparing Delirious. The paparazzi are used to being universally reviled (as some pirates are). So, when I treated them respectfully they couldn’t believe it and actually became quite emotional with me.
Good luck with your film.
best,
Tom
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Ok, now there’s a comment I can digest. Thanks for renting Double Whammy. I happen to like the film a lot. It was bought by LionsGate at Sundance in 2000. They signed a legal document agreeing to a theatrical release. The deal made all the trade papers. 6 months later they simply turned their back on the deal. Legally there was nothing I could do. I fought them for months until I felt myself turning into a lunatic. And so it was only released on DVD. The title comes from the idea in the film that trouble does not arrive on schedule. It comes whenever it comes. It comes how many times it wants to come. Only in bad films and tv does a character get beset by ONE problem that then gets solved. In my experience I get punched in the gut, I stagger to my feet and just as I’m about to walk off a piano falls on my head–double whammy.
best,
Tom
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Tom
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I’m really touched that you found Box of Moonlight so funny. I think Turturro and Sam Rockwell did amazing work together.
Good news on the Delirious DVD. It looks like the US release WILL include commentary, behind the scenes and the music video from the film.
I am disappointed the film still has no theatrical release in Germany. It is a large territory and very important for US independent releases. A mystery.
best,
Tom
(Several Whammies, which i just saw & loved, is another story. Ish. And Dennis Leary could have gotten serious recognition if ppl ever saw that. How’d u get the title?)
thanks for replying.
I live in Germany (I’m russian, by the way).
I guess I’ll order a dvd when it comes out.I really loved the director’s commentary on BOM, I don’t see how the company responsible for DELIRIOUS thinks it’s not a good idea.
Anyway, I’m really happy I had an opportunity to write to you.Me and my friends always had a total blast watching Box Of Moonlight, quoting dialogue endlessly,laughing about some scenes etc. I just love this movie too much, man.
I saw a copy of the script on amazon, I might be buying it soon.
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Too many words, my friend. Too many words.
Take human bites.
best,
Tom
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1st, Thanks for writing.
2nd, congratulations on getting your film made. I’m serious. No one knows just how difficult it is to do. Many films never get made. You made yours. That is a real victory.
As far as distribution is concerned; that is a whole other jungle. It sounds like you found a way to chop through a tangle with smart use of your wiles and machete. Good for you.
It all comes down to finding a way to get your product into an increasingly crowded marketplace. The thing that keeps you going is knowing that against all odds some good, thought-provoking films actually make it there–some even survive. The deadly quicksand is buying into, even for a split second, the propaganda that insists that commercial success equals merit.
It doesn’t.
I’ll email you directly,
best,
Tom
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Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth
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My apologies for any misunderstanding. I did not tune out but read your comment several times. You check it again and see if you don’t think there are quite a few references to box office results.
But, I did enjoy your piece. Some sincerely constructive advice; perhaps simplify your thoughts and bit and state your point. As I said, clearly you put some work into it and had some good observations.
best,
Tom
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Thanks very much for writing in. I’m glad you liked Box of Moonlight. Where do you live? I’ll try to let you know if and when Delirious is coming to you on DVD or a screen. There are actually some connecting themes between the two films.
I don’t know if you’re interested or not but I wrote a book about the making of Box of Moonlight which also includes the screenplay. You might enjoy reading some of the behind the scenes stuff. I’ve heard you can find copies on Amazon or ebay pretty cheap.
I will keep writing.
best,
Tom
BOX OF MOONLIGHT is a masterpiece and I’m looking forward to seeing DELIRIOUS.
Loved reading the blog, please keep on writing.
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Good to hear from you. I will send you my email and we can communicate directly about screening Delirious in Portland.
best,
Tom
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Thank you for your comment/essay/treatise/novella. Seriously, it is obvious you put a lot of heart and thought into it. First and foremost let me say here now for you and for anyone else who has trudged through this blog: if I have ever come across like I’m whining or complaining or sulking because I didn’t get the “accolades” I expected then I most sincerely apologize.
Tom
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Thanks for writing. You’ll see a more detailed response to your suggestion in my response to “RLFC” below. Your idea is good. I just don’t have the right to distribute the film–the finance company does.
But, clearly a change is in the air.
best,
Tom
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Thanks very much for your comment and support. First let me say I would definitely like to come out to Portland and show Delirious and Living In Oblivion with you. It only struck me just now how much interplay there is between the two films and it could provide for an interesting double-feature.
Would you project the films 35mm or go from a digital (DVD) source? That would be kind of important to me. I’ll call you at the number you left and we’ll discuss it.
As far as the commentary is concerned the issue seems to lie primarily in the fact that my blog has “offended” the beancounters to the degree that their first impulse is to retaliate, even if it means damaging potential sales and rentals of the DVD. We have at least determined now that the cost of making the commentary is extremely small and would not prohibit it being included–if they felt like they would allow me to include it.
So, there is some hope.
I will check out your site today and contact you. I will also forward your note to Mr. Ebert. I know he will appreciate it.
best,
Tom
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So nice to hear from you again. I appreciate your thoughts about the Director’s Commentary. Sometimes they can be extremely dull and self-congratulatory. I try to keep them informative and somehow in synch with what is happening on screen–not an easy task when what they generally do is plunk you in front of a microphone, turn on the film and say, Go. They prefer to do it in one pass, without stopping because it is cheaper.
I’m still negotiating on the Delirious commentary. Apparently there will be two DVD releases: one in March exclusive to rental via Blockbuster and one in May primarily guaged toward sales. I’ve been told the Blockbuster release will have no extras on it. The goal being to put the extras on for the May release to attract people to buy it.
That’s the theory at least.
Roger Ebert has invited the film into his annual Best Overlooked Films of the Year festival in April in Chicago. If you wanted to see it projected you could come up. Otherwise, I’m afraid it will be a DVD premiere for you. In either case, I think you will enjoy it.
My best to you. Happy holidays.
Tom
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This is a good idea. Thanks for suggesting it.
The DVD company’s argument now goes something like this: “We don’t want to put things like the commentary or what awards the film has won because it will confuse the audience too much. We don’t want them to think this is just a smart independent film but actually a big title that will attract big across-the-board audiences.”
best,
Tom
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Good to have you back as well. And once again you have made a very astute observation. It is indeed imperative that I find a better way to not only make my films but to release them as well. This one just ain’t workin’.
I think you are absolutely correct in saying there is much more freedom and opportunity for directors know than there used to be. The moment you look outside the narrow confines of the “normal route” then a number of possibilities present themselves. You can be sure I will be checking them out on the next one. The slight hiccup to your theory though is the budget. If you get someone to give you upwards of a million dollars then they ask for (and are expected to receive) a basic ownership and control of distribution option. There is no way around it except to make the next film for under 100 grand. Which I could do.
Anyway, great to hear from you. I will continue the fight. You do the same.
best,
Tom
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Well, I’m very excited for you making your first feature. I wish you the best of luck. I’m glad you find some of the things I say useful. Here’s one last one: getting onto the set and directing is a process that sometimes takes years. It is a luxury. Treat it like such and bring yourself to every single moment if you can. If you enjoy half of them you will have a good movie.
I too think Delirious could do well in Japan. So far I don’t think there has been any interest from Japanese distributors.
I’ll be writing more later. Check in every now and then if you’re not to crazed.
best,
Tom
Definitely Delirious would do well in Japan, here there is a huge obsession with fame, it is a perfect theme. Even with a low publicity investment, i think the mouth-to-ear would work fine. Inland Empire got a very limited released but it’s been playing since July.
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Thanks for the news from Melbourne. Apparently an Australian distributor did a small arthouse release there. Do you know if Delirious is playing elsewhere in Australia? Can you drive around to all the cities for me and see?
(joke)
I’m pushing hard to get the director’s commentary. It is hanging by thread right now but still some hope. I think it is good that you enjoy them so much. Some directors hate to do them. I must confess it is a bit odd. They sit you alone in a room with a microphone and just turn the film on. You don’t stop. If you stop it costs them more money. So, you just keep going. Usually I make some notes to keep me on track. But it is just me and the film. Kind of lonely–but then in some way it is a return right back to the origin; just me and the film.
Keep writing in. I enjoy your comments.
best,
Tom
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Great to hear from you. A very informative comment. I would gladly shoot a feature in HD. It took me 6 years to raise the money for Delirious and I really don’t want to wait that long again. I do love the silky beauty of real film though and it seems like a real tragedy to me that only the stoopit big budget lobotomy films get to use it.
I will keep myself open to every option now though.
Good luck to you on your first feature. Or is it your first feature on HD? If it is your first feature I have only two things of advice for you. 1) Simplify your script so you have enough time to discover things on set. 2) Enjoy yourself. Filmmaking is without question excruciating at times but if you find the ratio of agony greater than the pleasure then make some adjustments.
I hope Delirious gets to Japan. I think it would do well there. No one at the distribution company is passing on info as to the status of a Japanese sale. I will try to find out.
best,
Tom
Thanks for replying. I think that the acting in Delirious was superb and I agree that Pitt brought something to his performance. I really enjoyed all the scenes with interaction between Buscemi and Pitt, I loved seeing the two different characters reacting to each other.
The film isn’t available at the two major cinemas (Reading and Hoyts) and as far as I can see only available at the Nova (which is only one cinema, not a chain of cinemas). It has been showing for 7 weeks and it is still showing next week, they have moved the session time to 1 in the afternoon and it is still showing once a day (it was actually released on November 1st here so I suppose it progressively has been showing less frequently).
It did get a fair few very good reviews from what I have seen.
Hope that gives you a good idea of what its been like in Melbourne.
Em
Have you considered to shoot your next movie in digital? I’m making my first feature in HD and is such a convenience format, it shoots faster, longer and cheaper and the editing workflow is great as well. Nowadays more well known directors and embracing digital (people like Lynch, Coppola, Mann, Rodriguez) and i don’t think it is a step back but likely the future.
I hope there is a chance to get Delirious here in Tokyo, if you need any info about theaters here let me know. I hope you keep making tons of movies, cause people like you encourage us so much.
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Thanks very much for your comment. I too am very impressed with Michael Pitt’s performance–and I am the biggest Buscemi fan on the planet (I wrote Delirious for him). But I think Pitt really brought something incredible to his performance that made Toby unforgettable. One of my favorite scenes of the two of them together is the one where Buscemi shows Pitt how do download photos and send them to editors. A great example of give and take among actors.
Thanks also for the info on the screening. I guess this means this is how the film is being released in Australia. Do you know how long the film is playing in Melbourne? I hope it wasn’t only the one screening.
I’d be eager to hear any more info you have of what is going with the film downunder.
Great to hear from you.
best,
Tom
Everyone who came out of the cinema looked really pleased so I think everyone enjoyed it.
Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I loved Delirious, it was so well made and it came together so beautifully at the end.
Good luck for the future!
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Where are you my friend? Did you make it across? Drop me a line. Good to see your comment here. I’m glad you appreciated Ebert’s answers. I think they are helpful to all filmmakers right now.
best,
Tom
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Good to hear from you. I’ve got both your new pieces downloaded and will be listening to them momentarily.
Glad you’re keeping busy.
I know, these people just keep dumbfounding me with their mean-spirited and closed-minded thinking. I guess it all comes down to ego–they don’t like that I made it public how they blew the distribution. So now they will get back at me any way they can, even if it means hurting themselves.
You’ll be hearing from me soon.
best,
Tom
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Que pasa? I know that Goldman quote very well. It helps a little bit sometimes. I don’t want everyone to think I’m just sitting here complaining because I’m not. Many other directors have horror stories of their own that make mine look like eating Snickers with the Olsen Twins.
I would love to make a film in Europe. Spain would be incredible to shoot in. I know their are some financing requirements for percentage of cast and crew which might be a problem.
It is great to hear from you.
best,
Tom
About this last post, as said a comrade in arms called Goldman: “Nobody knows anything” I think that with this reference the cinema is defined perfectly. Anyway, it’s true that independent films don’t have all the support they deserve. If you want a piece of advice, you could come to Europe like Woody Allen and get funding for your next films. Co-productions are in fashion now. For example, from Spain you could get about 5 millions euros more or less (I think). It’s not bad!!!
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So great to hear from you again. I noticed your netnods to the DVD release and to Buscemi’s comments on filmmaking. Thank you.
Tom
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Thanks for writing. That is interesting news about the screening in Germany. Where in Deutschland do you live? I’m glad the people at the screening liked the film but unfortunately we are having the same difficulty in Germany finding a distrubutor as we did in the US. Most of the German distributors have passed on the film.
best,
Tom
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thanks for your comment. I agree with you in principal; the whole independent distribution game has changed beyond recognition. I think Ebert addressed that a bit in his piece. In my case I had to assign all rights to the film to the company that financed it–the budget was over 3 million. So my ability to guide the film into alternative markets like file sharing is extremely limited. These guys have the legal right to distribute the film any way they want. Part of the deal I made with the devil I guess, in order to at least get the film financed.
But, your take on the DVD release is right on. I’m fighting very hard to get these people to understand that the more you put in there the more they will get out of it. I won’t get anything monetarily; only they will.
The only thing I will get as you correctly point out, is that finally people will see the film.
You sound like you’ve got some experience in this area. Good luck to you. Feel free to keep sharing your thoughts here.
best,
Tom
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